Tossing Salt Presents:
Angle, Ranking Heel Turns, Eddie Guerrero & More
December 19, 2018
Greetings and welcome to another exciting and fun filled Q&A about the greatest pound for pound entertainment and sport ever, the world of professional wrestling. The questions are from a man named Avery and they were sent to my e-mail on Sunday, but I’m just getting to them today (Wednesday) so some of the answers have already been answered as per this week’s editions of RAW and Smackdown, but I’ll still make a few comments for those questions and do my best to answer all of them. And with that said, let’s get busy and do this…
What is up with Kurt Angle? After his match with Drew, it seems like that was the end of his time in WWE. Have you heard if he’s coming back?
As seen at the TLC event and then again on Monday, he is back on RAW and it seems as if he’s returning in a wrestling role instead of the now-abolished role of General Manager. He angle-slammed Baron Corbin both Sunday and Monday nights and I guess it’ll be against Corbin for the time being and the future of the Olympic Gold Medalist is yet to be determined. We’ll have to wait and see, but he’s on RAW and he’s back.
Thinking about old times in wrestling were kayfabe was real and most people (?) didn’t know that wrestling was “fake”, how big of a deal was it when Miss Elizabeth and Randy Savage was reunited at Wrestlemania 7? Do you think that that kind of storyline would work in 2018 when kayfabe is “dead”?
It was a major big deal back in the day when Macho and Liz were reunited and she got into the ring to “save” Macho from a pissed off Sherri Martel after Macho had just been “retired” by the Ultimate Warrior. It was the icing on the cake and fully transistioned Macho from the sympathetic heel back to a full scale face with the WWF audience. Could it work in 2018? It probably could, but the hardest part really is finding a couple that the WWE audience is invested in and cares for as much as they did Macho and Liz. There are several true couples on the WWE roster with Daniel Bryan / Brie Bella, Miz & Maryse, Rusev & Lana, Naomi & The Uso, HHH and Steph, etc, but none of these performers are over as a couple with maybe the exception of HHH and Steph and that’s been done too often in the past and couldn’t work. I could see if Cena and Nikki were to get back together and that was played up for a while leading to a reunion, but even that wouldn’t come close to matching the reaction that Macho and Liz got. It could be done, but it would take a lot of work and effort from all parties involved, probably more than most would be willing to put in.
On a scale of 1-10, how would you rank these heel-turns in WWE?
1. Seth Rollins turning on the Shield in 2014
This one gets an 8 because it was well done and surprise and Rollins was able to take the momentum from this turn and run with it for a couple of years, making a really strong and effective heel for WWE.
2. CM Punk turning (on The Rock) at RAW 1000.
This one only gets a “2” because although it was fun to see and exciting, no one really turned “heel”. It was just two men with huge egos who couldn’t co-exist and get along. We all knew it was coming and after it was over, both men were still cheered and loved by their fans.
3. Sgt. Slaughter in 1990 (before kayfabe died)
I’ll give it a “6” because although Slaughter always sucked, in my opinion, as a babyface, he had it going on with an deal with GI Joe and he was in everybody’s eyes, the untimate American Patriot and real American Hero. I remember Slaughter from his days in the Mid-Atlantic, before his first WWF run and before he became a good guy so I knew what he was capable of as a heel and thus, wasn’t as shocked as many fans may have been. But it was a big deal, especially with the stuff going on in Iraq and Kuwait and the whole Gulf War on the horizon and Slaughter pulled it off very well, even resulting in death threats.
4. Chris Jericho turns on HBK in 2008 (best feud of the 2000s?)
I remember this feud, but can’t remember how it all got started or who turned on who or the details. Didn’t Jericho nail HBK’s wife in the face with a punch? Jericho changes from heel to face like most people change their socks so despite the great matches that happened as a result, I’ll give this one a “5”, being in the middle because I don’t remember the details.
5. Andre the Giant turning on Hogan.
A big “10” because it was Andre the Giant, a legend and good guy for decades and he finally snapped and had enough. The ironic thing here is that everything he said about Hogan at the time was true (a shoot) and in the real world, Andre would have been the good guy and Hogan should have been the heel. But this turn led to one of the biggest and most memorable matches in WWE history and it’s something that even the wrestling fans who weren’t even alive then know about. It was a great moment in wrestling history.
6. The Mega-Powers break down in 1989.
Macho and Hogan, breaking up because Macho was jealous over Hogan’s attention to Liz. It was a memorable example of TV and wrestling imitating real life, but we just didn’t know it at the time. I was not a big WWF fan at the time, but even I remember watching this. I’ll give it a “5”.
7. Shawn Michaels throws Jannety through the window in 1991.
It was the moment that Shawn Michaels became a superstar and broke the glass ceiling, along with the window at the Barber Shop and Marty Janetty’s head. A great moment in time that I’ve watched over and over again a million times. Looking back now, you could see it coming as all the hints and signs were there, but at the time, it was epic and shocking. I’ll give it an “8”.
8. Hulk Hogan turning to the nWo at Bash at the Beach in 1996.
This was probably the only time I was actually cheering for Hogan as he turned heel and showed his true colors, the Hogan we’d been hearing about for years via the dirt sheets, and it was all finally out there. It was the heel turn of the decade though and no one expected Hogan to actually go through with it and give up the whole “Hulkamania” character to become Hollywood Hogan instead. I look back now and no one else would have had the same impact or effect that having Hogan come in to save the faces and then betray them (and us) did. A truly memorable moment for professional wrestling. I’ll give it a solid “9”.
I just recently watched the Eddie vs Brock match from No Way Out in 2004. Man I really miss Eddie. I can’t believe it’s been 13 years. Do you think he would still be in the WWE if he didn’t pass away far to soon?
While I don’t think he would still be performing and wrestling in WWE, I think that if he was still living, he would be associated with them in some form, probably under a “Legend’s Deal”. I could also see Eddie working as a trainer down at the Performance Center and helping to teach and train younger talents on how to become and be WWE superstars. He would still be involved in the business in some manner. Of that, I’m pretty sure, but what exactly he would be doing, I don’t know.
How big of a shock was it when Ivan Koloff defeated Bruno Sammartino at MSG in 1971 ending Sammartinos reign? I just saw some footage on youtube and the crowd just went dead silent when the ref got to 3.
It was a major shock. At the time, Bruno was bigger than anyone in the WWWF and he was viewed as a god of sorts by the New York audience, who believed every move and Bruno was the ultimate hero, always coming back and beating the odds. They lived through him and when he was beaten and defeated by Ivan Koloff, a Russian no less, it just took the crowd’s breath away. Shock and silence dominated the event because no one could believe that it was really over for “The Living Legend” and that he had truly been defeated. It was the ultimate bad dream come true and truly one of the most iconic moments ever in wrestling history.
Is Zack Ryder still employed by the WWE?
As of this writing, Wednesday morning, he is still a WWE Superstar and employed by the WWE. He wrestles regularly on Superstars and recently did some work with Curt Hawkins helping Toys For Tots collect toys for children for the holidays. While not seen on RAW or Smackdown all that often, and to be honest, I can’t remember what brand he’s supposed to be on, he is a very busy man for the WWE doing appearances and charity events. So to answer your question about his employment, woo woo woo, you know it!
Who do you think is the most underutilized talent in the WWE roster right now who’s not already a made name?
The Revival are the first names that come to mind. Also Curtis Axel, Bo Dallas and Shelton Benjamin. What about Zack Ryder for that matter. So many talents in WWE are not used to their full potential and are capable of so much more. How about Fandango? I don’t know who the most wasted talent is, but there definitely are a lot of them to be sure.
Seeing as Jinder Mahal has been WWE Champ, and Drew McIntyre is primed for a title-run as we speak. Do you ever see Heath Slater getting the same push? I mean, 3MB split up, Drew went on to the indies and made a name for himself. Jinder Mahal buffed up quite alot and somehow got the title, what about a Slater-push?
While Slater will continue to get minor pushes here and there, most recently in the Baron Corbin saga as he’s been Corbin’s “special referee” and then turned on Corbin at TLC. As much as I’d love to see Slater get serious and get some major promotion and push, with at least a serious tag title run that lasts a while if nothing else, he’s not looked at that way by WWE management. They see him as a solid worker, dependable and good for comedy or serious, but mainly to put others over instead of being a top star himself. His job with WWE will always be safe and secure, but a big push for the One Man Rock Band probably will never happen.
Six months ago, what would you have believed to be more likely: Nick Gage in Chikara or David Arquette in a deathmatch?
I’m not a follower of Nick Gage, although I do know of his reputation and who he is. Arquette though, I’m very much in the know about and I have a great deal and respect for the former Scream star as he’s working the Indy circuit, taking matches and doing things the right way to get redemption from the fans who hate him because of his WCW run twenty years ago. I loved it how he ripped on the fans who keep talking crap about his wrestling activities and every single thing he said was correct and right and needed to be said. But with that being said, Arquette working a death match, especially against someone with the reputation of Nick Gage, is down right crazy as hell. I respect him for what he’s doing and why, but at the same time, I’m shaking my head because of just how crazy taking that match really was for him.
And that’s all for now. My thanks again to Avery for those great questions. This was a fun piece to do and you made me have to think a bit. I liked that. Any comments, thoughts or questions, please feel free and send them to me either here at the site or at my e-mail at Doug28352@yahoo.com. Thanks for reading. And I am out of here. I think I have a “Days Of Dougie” to do. Take care and I’ll see you later.